The Perfect Family Meeting: How to Create a Memorable Mission with Your Loved Ones with Lee Domingue

Intro: SN 3, EP 20

SPEAKER_02 0:09

Welcome to another episode of the Family Business with the Alesssies, and I'm Steve Alesi. I'm so glad that you are joining us today. And today, since we're talking about family, because family is everybody's business, I have a friend and fellow minister that is a real blessing to our

Introducing Lee Domingue

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church, our business here in Miami, and that is Pastor Lee Domain, and he's joining us. Come on, Lee, so glad that you're joining us today.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Yeah, Pastor Steve, thank you so much for the honor it is. If uh if anyone I know that leads family and that's an intentional leader, dad, husband, and pastor on raising up a great family, it's uh it's the Alesi. So I'm honored to be here.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Oh man, thanks so much for saying that. And you know, we're inspired. I love watching all of your posts because we're inspired by the way you pull your family around you. And if there's a pastor that knows what it is to have a business and ministry and be able to blend them together, it's you.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

I'm trying. We're a work in progress, continuous improvement under construction.

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But you bring so much of your experience from the business world where you had so much success, and you're using that in the ministry world that you have today. So it's a great connection. It's a great blending.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah, always have always thought that pastors set vision, but business people set the pace of it. And so um, you know, the local church mobilizes the hope of the world, and we need both of these groups coming together, not just philanthropy or giving, but pastors and business people intentionally partnering together uh to advance the gospel, get more missions sent, get buildings built and paid off, and uh helping communities change the world for Christ.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Yeah. What's funny is uh the network of pastors that I have uh a connection with, little by little I start to see how you're connecting with all of them because they so value what you bring to the table. So you're a tremendous resource to what we do as pastors in the different cities because you know the heart of a pastor and you also bring that other aspect of business and a legacy mindset to the table.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I'm having fun.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

I believe it. I believe it. Well, let me ask you this first uh fathering or grandfathering, which one do you like better?

SPEAKER_00 2:41

That's a loaded question. That's like asking your wife, you know, if your wife says, Hey, do I look good in this dress? Have I gained weight? I mean, you just don't answer those kind of questions. You're like, oh honey, you're amazing. So what ends up happening is I think that being a father has been extremely fulfilling and a lot of hard work. Being a grandfather is extremely rewarding and it's a party. Yeah. Oh my gosh. How many grandkids do you have? Yeah, we have our seventh on the way. So we have six, uh, five years old and under. So, you know, as you know, we've got we've got five kids, four boys and uh one girl. She just graduated from high school and is now gonna be going off to college, so we'll be empty nesters. I'm gonna have to get some therapy from you because I I don't know how I'm gonna handle that. The only girl going off to college, but the four boys um are all married. Yeah, and so they basically, the three older all have uh kids. And so it's uh we're having a blast.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Yeah. And that's what I think it's where we show our true calling, bro. I Leah, I I, you know, Bible even says it. You gotta be able to lead your household, your own household well before you can lead others. Um, I place just a huge premium. That's why I like you. That's I so appreciate what you that that focus that you have of

Dynasty or Legacy?

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family. And I see your son involved, your kids involved in what you do in ministry. You're helping my brother-in-law up in Orlando, and your son's engaged and all involved. How's that working? Having your son work right up alongside of you.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

You know, loving it. You know, he was he was uh headed down one trek of ministry, and we were all eating as a family at the dinner table, and um I was kind of pressing him on, you know, what do you want to do and what's the next step for you? And he's like, Dad, I don't I don't want to do this, which was the next step in his current trek. And I said, Well, and this is a big question. Um, I said, Well, if you could do one thing, dream for me a second. If you could do one thing, just one, what would be your dream job? And he didn't even bat an eye and he says, I'd want to work with you. Come on. And uh, and so that was a big, big honor, and he's brought tremendous value, not only to our team, but in helping churches. He has a gift of generosity. He has, he's a kingdom builder. He and his wife Samantha, so they're already in their 20s living life with a legacy mindset. So, you know, there was something that shifted in my in my journey, as, and you've heard me say this, it I was focused more on building a dynasty than leaving a legacy. And uh, and I think, you know, the thing about dynasties is someone always has to lose, and there's always collateral damage. We know, we know dads and and moms and business leaders that it's cost them to build their business. It's cost them to uh be successful from the world standard. And it's usually cost them either in their health, their relationships, their marriage, their family. It's cost them somewhere. And uh, and I just made a decision that I was gonna start focusing a lot less on a third generation of wealth and more on a third generation of faith. Because if you get that one right, they'll be able to understand what the wealth is for. In other words, what the more is for, and uh, and to where they're looking through the lens of legacy, not just what they can get out of life, but what are they gonna build and leave from the context of uh their Christian faith, what the Bible says. Um, and it's really changed. We don't have a perfect family. We got a lot of, we got a lot of issues, but I will tell you this we have a family that's intentional and very committed, uh, that's on the journey of legacy.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Yeah. I wish people would get that. I wish they would see the value of legacy on the front side, because I'm not sure it's either or dynasty or legacy. I I just think it's the order in which you pursue legacy. If legacy is in the rearview mirror instead of out front of you, then the dynasty that you build will never support the legacy that ultimately God would have you build. If you focus on legacy, legacy in itself is a dynasty.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Legacy in itself is what gets people's attention. That where you see over and over again that my gosh, the the things that they have built in one generation, what you see with your son coming and saying to you, Dad, I want to work for you. I want to work with you, I want to do what you're doing. Somewhere you made it enticing enough for him that he's saying, I don't want to work for all these other people. I see something in you. So he he he's got that passion for legacy, and that in itself, it starts it's the foundation of a dynasty, man. You you do that two or three generations down the road because of what you built on the front end of legacy. Holy moly, what a blessing that is.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

It's so good. You know, Steve,

Establishing the Identity of Your Family

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we we build businesses, we invest hundreds of millions of dollars, corporations invest, and even churches invest in our people. We invest in building teams, we invest in creating culture, we invest in these are our values, these are our mission, this is what we're all about. And it hit me about six and a half years ago, like I've done that for three decades, but I've never thought about doing that for my family. Like, who are we as the domangs? Yeah, the world's gonna try to dictate the value system and is doing a pretty good job, sadly, of dictating the values to our kids through social media, through other mediums. But what's happened is it's like it's because they don't know who they are. And so if we just tell them, oh, son, daughter, go read your Bible and or go to Sunday school or get in a small group, no, no, no, no, no. I think we as the as parents, we need to model that and create an environment that gets them out of their current world and that they have a voice in the family. And this is super important, a voice in the family that's collaborative because they're used to dad and mom dictating their whole life. That's what they do is they become the dangers, they become compliant rather than have a heart change. And so, like I've seen with you, your kids own their own faith. And so you want your child to own their own faith. Well, you've got to give them a setting to be able to really understand and define values, set mission. And so that's how we really came up with the family meeting is, you know, and you know, the first one was, and you know, it was, it scared us. The first one was awkward, you know, but we stayed intentional because we knew we touched on a nerve, because about halfway through it, the light bulb started going off. And we knew we touched on a nerve, and uh, and the kids just gravitated to it. So we do it annually every

Key Points of The Family Meeting

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year now.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

Yeah. Tell us a little bit more about the family meeting guide, what that represents to you, how this idea even came up.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Yeah. Well, you know, uh, we do it in our companies, in our businesses, corporations. High net worth families do an aspect of this where they they have to go get with their lawyers, their accountants, and all their different people because their estate's so big. So they're constantly dealing, but it's more money-focused, and there's usually a lot of tension. Most of those people in those meetings hate each other. They don't like each other because they don't know what that more is for. They don't have the legacy, they don't have the mindset it's about the kingdom of God. And um, and so I said, you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna, I'm gonna design an invitation, and I'm gonna ask seven, six or seven questions in the invite. But this invitation and agenda is gonna look like it's a Fortune 100 board meeting. I don't care if my daughter was 10 years old when we did this. So she gets an invitation, invited to the first domain family meeting, and there's six questions that you need to come prepared to answer. And this is the agenda of the day and a half meeting of what we're gonna be doing. And so when they came into, you know, you do it at a cool place, you do it at a hotel, a resort, do it at a lake house, do it at the beach, find some place that's outside the normal family environment. And so we, the first one we did, we just did at a local hotel. And uh we made it fun with dinners, and the first night they get there, uh, they don't know, they're like a deer in headlights. They're like, what am I even doing? What's dad and mom got going on? This is like we never, we don't know what to expect. So I opened it up with a slideshow of the Domangs and the Dirks, my wife's maiden name, of as far back as I could go, pictures of who we are and where we've come from. And then I tie it all and I got music playing and I use a little creative in it. And then it's got where we got married, and then now what's happening with our family and our current family. But it was important for them to understand where they came from: from France, from Spain, from England, from Germany, from Sweden, and all of these different nationalities, but that's our heritage. So I went as far back as I could, got that, and we made it real light that first night. And I kind of set the tone by really giving them a devo of the difference between oneness and unity. And that unity is a process, oneness is the product. And so I kind of walked them through that, and it was, I kept it light and fun, but I started setting the stage and I let them know saying, hey, this time together is not about me just dictating you. This is not gonna be a monologue of mom and I just telling you what you need to do. But we need to set the vision for who our family is and what we value. Because what I value may be different than all of my kids. And I don't want you just to agree to values and say cool words like integrity, faith, generosity, all these wonderful terms without telling me why. That's very important. So we set the stage for this to where the next morning we basically start unpacking who are we? What's our values? Everything is gonna derive from that. So what do we value? And we started going around the room. And by the way, I have one of my children taking minutes of this the entire day, like it's a board meeting. Yep. So when they walked in the conference room of that hotel, it's a long table. Steve, I had printed packets with their name on it. And like you would have this little dossier or this packet for the entire time together. So I had my daughter whose nose was at the table right here in the big chair. But I wanted her to experience that she didn't need to fully understand everything. But what I'm doing is sowing seeds, and my wife and I set an environment and we set ground rules that this is what we do, this is what we're this is what it's not. It's not gonna be us just telling you what to do. Everyone has an equal voice here. And so we started unpacking different values, and I could tell that there was a tension in the beginning. So I started with this one, and it happened just on the fly. Transparency, is that a value of ours? Transparency is the seed bed that builds the foundation for trust. Is that important? Is that a value that Domanks have? Well, yeah, dad, that's a great value. I said, well, then let me begin. And I opened up by being very transparent on something I was struggling with. And brother, it set the tone. And all of a sudden, the dam of tension started to crack, and everybody started opening up, and then conversation started flowing, but it started with me. Yeah. And so set that tone, then it was joy, and then it was faith, and then it was, and I left off generosity, which is which is a core foundation of our family. I left that off, and I wanted to see if one of them were gonna pick it up. Yeah, and my daughter, my daughter-in-law goes, duh, dad, generosity, and I said, Is it one of our values? Well then why? And so we basically established nine values and why, and that was the beginning of our family meeting. And then we took it, probably the most powerful step, Steve, was we have an affirmations exercise that one of the questions is come prepared to share three character traits in everyone in the room, and you're gonna look at them and you're gonna tell them the character trait you admire and why.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

That was a powerful time that took three and a half hours and about six boxes of Kleenex. Oh, yeah. Because they're looking at each other. They all know they love each other, but there's something about the spoken word of affirmation between everyone. I'm looking at my wife. I'm boo-hooing at my wife, telling her, talking to her. I'm boo-hooing at my kids. And it just hits you. But it's a, I think it's a holy moment where we're affirming them and they're affirming each other, and then we're all taking minutes because we want to memorialize this time. But we also talk about what's the what are you dreaming right now? What's your greatest fear? And then how can we as the family help you overcome that or walk through that with you? And so these are the different questions. And so we just created a family guide. All it is is a roadmap, and it's not a perfect roadmap. And so I tell people if you're a blended family, if you're a family that's a single mom or you're a family with young kids, you're gonna tweak it some. This family meeting guide takes you through that journey and gives you the steps. And that's what I found is people really want to do this, they just don't know quite how. And so, this is a guide that'll take them soup to nuts through it to do it annually. And uh, it's just made a tremendous impact. And so, because what do we want? We want our kids to fulfill all that God has for them individually, and then as a family, you know, we talked about legacy. Look at

How The Meeting Promotes Legacy

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the power of this. Each family meeting, I scan the minutes, the pictures, all what's talked about in the cloud. And it's there's a folder on my on my computer right now. It says Domang Family Meeting. There's six of them in there. Fast forward with me, Steve, a hundred years from now. Yeah. You want to talk about legacy? Oh, yeah. My great-great-great-great-grandkids can pull this up and say, Well, who are we? Where do we come from? And there's these foundational components that have been laid for a hundred years. And so, no, this is who we are. So when our kids go and they get off and they they maybe hit the guardrail or they they kind of mess around in the mud a little bit. I think when you lay this kind of foundation, I think that when they do try to taste the things the world's gonna offer, we've given them something better. Not just something to tell them, oh, don't do that. Give them something better. And I think this sets the stage of that.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

Yeah. Tell me, how did you sell this to your family? How how did

Getting Family Members to Buy In

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you get them motivated? Because most families are so disjointed these days, all doing their own deal. How did how did you sell it to them?

SPEAKER_00 19:07

It's that's that is a great, great question. And uh, you gotta create a fun environment. That's the hook. So lake house, hook, beach, all expenses paid. Mom and dad got it. You're not gonna expense anything. Now, we'll bring all the food, but we're gonna assign people, if it's at a lake house, we'll have cooking duty, everyone owns a meal. The younger ones who can't cook do the cleanup. Okay? So make sure it's a fun activity place. Who's not gonna want to go and get a free beach trip or a lakehouse trip, right? So who's not gonna want to go and have great food and fellowship? That's the hook to get them in that first time. After you get them in the first time, even with our what I call my daughter-in-loves, they did not know what they were getting involved in on the first one. And it unequivocally wrecked them in a great way. It wrecked them to be a part of something like that. Almost so much so that one of my daughter-in-law's families the next year, they started doing their own. And so, which is powerful. But I think, I think for us, the first is the hook to make it a great uh experience. Yeah. So give them a great experience and a reason to come. And if you've got kids that's saying, you know what, maybe there's tension, you know, between you and one of your child, your children that are older, they're in their 30s, and you're like, well, they'll never come to this. The other ones may invite those other ones. Yeah. And you basically always keep the door open and say, we would love to have you. And I think what'll happen, and what I've heard happening in families, is when some of the family doesn't want to come, you almost, like Paul did, he says, I provoke my Jewish brothers to jealousy because I'm gonna bring the gospel to the Gentiles. There's almost this FOMO of fear of missing out that happens because you keep inviting them, but what happens is their siblings say, dude, you missed out. Right. You need to be there. Y'all need to be there. And so you keep the door open at, you know, even last minute, you'll make whatever exceptions, because maybe there's some water under the bridge that's tension that needs some healing. But you if that eventually what we found is they will come. It may take a year, it may take two, but they'll come around at some point just because of the value of what they're seeing in their siblings.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

Right. And how are you seeing this play out in the family today? What what have you seen it do for your family?

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Yeah, I think that there's a love,

Benefits of The Family Meeting

SPEAKER_00 21:44

there's a respect, I think there's an honor, I think there is a uh there's a depth of equity in the relationships between daughter in loves, between those that aren't married to each other, that have just solidified these relationships. I think there's a closeness. Like our my my daughter-in-laws, they call me dad. Yeah. Like they they really see me and my wife as their mother and father in that. Now I never would want to, they've got, you know, never would I'm not their biological parent, but there's a depth of the relationship that happens that if we have issues, it's gonna be an immediate feedback family. Like we're not gonna let things sit. When things sit, they stir. No, we're gonna deal with them. And everyone is made a covenant that in our relationships together, divorce ain't an option. We're not quitting. That's what is created a resolve, an intentionality, and a and they're already starting to do that in how they're raising their kids.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Already you see it. That's great, Lee. I'll tell you, I can see this. You know, my kids have been under my leadership since the day they were born, since they become aware of responsibilities in the ministry and what we do, the way we operate our family. Um, maybe, you know, that could be 10 years that they have finally locked into the value. So I've been pouring into my blood kids all these years. Now I have two in-laws in loves, as you call them, come on the scene, and I have to play help them play catch up to everything that my kids already know that's second nature to them because they have been receiving it all these years. So now I'm having to play catch up with the newbies that are in the family so that they can grab hold of the values that we hold dear to, the the the life lessons that have allowed us to hold certain things as priority in our life. This sounds like a great way to get the newbies in the families up to speed.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Yeah. It and and it, I think it, I think it is. I think it's uh again, it's a roadmap to get people on the course. And uh from some of the feedback we've gotten from families, what's amazing is some of their journey journeys that they're sharing and their share their feedback is helping us like even make it even better. And uh, you know, when you go along this journey, and you know, one of the things that a lot of times uh, you know, 50% of families are blended. Yeah. When you think about that. So, so they don't know to imagine if if you know you've got these kids you're trying to all bring together and all the dynamics that go along with that. And I think what this does is this sets a standard that it doesn't matter if you're a blended family, doesn't matter if you're a single mom, doesn't matter the age of your kids. And uh the key is to be relentlessly intentional. It's gonna be awkward the first time you do it, you fight through it. And if you can get to the affirmations exercise, I will guarantee you there's gonna be fresh oil. It's gonna be like a river running through your family that you're gonna sit there and go, oh my gosh, what did we just tap into? Yeah. And it will change your family forever.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Yeah. Has it helped the siblings with the new in-laws? Has it helped them be able to connect with one another through that affirmation exercise?

SPEAKER_00 25:44

You know, when you're when your oldest son's looking at his uh younger brother's wife and uh looking at her and affirming her. Yeah. And she's affirming her, uh, the other daughter-in-law, yep. That you thought maybe there was some little tension. Because in the beginning, there was some little tension in some of these areas. Because it's like, okay, you're the new daughter-in-love. Hang on one second. I kind of like all my attention in my world here. So what ends up happening, though, is there can be some perceived tension. And what this does is it eliminates it.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

It's like, oh my gosh. Because they really go there with them. They go like, they really share their heart. That that setting is so precious because there's no air about it. It's true authenticity at the purest level. And you're having to look at that individual and share the that with them. And that there's just something that breaks in a positive way that brings them so much closer together.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Yeah. You know, sibling rivalry is a big deal. And to be able to put them in an environment like that can show you how you can help them deal with that whole rivalry, how how they're competing for mom or dad's affection or attention. Uh, it seems like it can really help them deal with that there.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

It does because they're equally affirmed.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

They're equally affirmed in a setting that's not just, oh, well, dad and mom took this one and went somewhere with them. Well, they don't know what happened. They don't know the dynamics of that. It could have been a tough, that could have been a tough trip. That some tough discussions happened. They think, oh, well, I guess they're just, you know, they neglecting me. And so they're the most favorite child, or whatever those dynamics are. Well, in that setting, everybody's there. And everybody gets equally affirmed. And it just brings a peace.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

It brings a confidence of like, no, no, no, no, no. This is who I am. And and when we first did it, Steve, something that was just, it wasn't surprising. It was just awesome. It was amazing. To me, it was. It was, they were like, I didn't realize they thought that about me.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

Yeah, we think it don't always say it. We think it don't always say it. No. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

No. And when you're having young kids, you're you're going 100 miles an hour with your hair on fire. And it's like, you just like, I just want to keep them alive. Yeah. And, you know, and so you have that pressure and tension. And so we don't know what other people are going through. And we try to look at them, and because they say something that may be short or curt, it could be because they're going through all these other things. It's not really for us. And we can take that out of context sometimes. And I think these are great reset moments when you get away, you pray, you plan, and you go into this being open-minded. And one of the key components, you mom and dad, you can't you can't blow it on this. You have to let it be collaborative. As much as you want to control it, you have to let it be collaborative.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Meaning with all the kids in the room. Yes. Yeah. Not just mom and dad. Equal voice. Yeah. Wow. Well, this is why I love you, man. You're brilliant. You have these ideas for family. You're thinking long term, playing the long game. I I so value that. Um, first, we'll put it in our our podcast notes here, but how can they get a copy of the family meeting guide?

SPEAKER_00 29:17

Yeah. Yeah, they can go to um kingdombuilders.us, kingdombuildersplural.us, uh, and

How To Get The Guide

SPEAKER_00 29:25

they can go to the resources page and get the family uh meeting guide there. I do believe they can get it uh on Amazon as well, but it's just the family meeting guide, and it's something that Laura, my wife, and I wrote and put together, and we're gonna continue to enhance it, um, you know, because we want to continually improve uh as well. But you can go to kingdombuilders.us and I want to thank you and Mary, both you, Steve, and Mary have definitely been a blessing and an inspiration to me in your intentionality, brother, for decades. Decades. Even the value of how you're helping people with the Family Business podcast. You got a lot of things going on. You ain't got time to be done. So the fact that you're investing in something like this that really matters. This isn't like you're pontificating your newest book and all these other things and my leadership lessons and all of that. You're helping the very core thing that the body of Christ needs and that leaders and pastors need because you have no legacy if you don't have your family.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

Yeah, uh, we've seen too many, too many sad faces on uh our pastor friends that didn't have that investment.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

You know, so thank you. Thank you guys for being intentional and giving away what you've learned and what you've also lived.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Uh appreciate that. Let me make sure, AP, uh John, we got that information. We want to put it in the podcast notes. Last thing, you have a podcast. Tell us about your podcast.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Yeah, the uh podcast actually is Legacy

More Resources From Lee Domingue

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Starts Today. Podcast they can get on any of the Spotify, Apple, you know, iTunes, any of that. And uh that podcast uh is monthly, and uh they can get any of the resources at kingdombuilders.us, other books and so forth. But the podcast as well is free at Legacy Starts Today. And then also for a reason we do have resources at our growleader.com website. Grow Leader is something that I am heavily involved in with my pastor, Chris Hodges, and uh great monthly podcast as well called Grow Leader Podcast, and which you can get on Spotify and iTunes as well. We just want to resource leaders, pastors, and uh see the local church be mobilized to be the hope of the world.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Same spirit, same vision. I love it. Thank you so much. Only thing I will say to you is that suit you wore on Easter, either you lost a lot of weight or you got it back in the 70s. We got to work on that suit right there, brother.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

I'm with you, brother. Hey, hey, that's right. I have lost some weight, though. I did lose some weight.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

You look great, man. I could tell you. You look great.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

No, I've lost some weight. I need, but I do need to exercise. Yeah. I uh I've lost some weight because of lack of, hadn't been eating, I don't think, uh enough. But I do need to get in the gym a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

Yeah, you and your uh crimson tide, what happened? Uh we won't go there. Go dogs. No, that's not true. You're not a crimson guy.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Uh-uh. No. LSU. There you go. LSU fan. There you go. Yeah, I'm not rolling anything. And uh I'm an LSU fan.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

I love you, man. All right. Thanks so much for the time. And guys, I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Family Business with the Alessis. Hanging out with Lee Domain and Steve Alesi. Thanks for joining us today.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

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